Future Man Predicts 2035 Five State of the States Art Bell
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Anyone tin exist anybody from the other side of a screen: a Nigerian prince pleading for coin; a alone housewife "catfishing" a romantic interest; or a 14-year-old girl posing equally just about anyone. From the "bonsai kitten" scandal of 2000 to the Lonelygirl15 "vlogs," the net has proved itself to be fertile ground for hoax-makers, scam artists, and digital charlatans.
Ane legendary hoax captivated fans of the supernatural and the paranormal similar few others. Nov 2, 2000 saw the first online mail service by the private who would come to be known as "John Titor." Titor claimed to exist a man from the future, sent to the past to retrieve... a portable computer. Though shrouded past forum avatars, his specific instructions on what he was here to achieve, and what society would look like in his version of the future, kicked off a frenzy of investigation, speculation, and deception that has lasted for nearly ii decades.
Some people believed "John Titor" completely. Others became obsessed with errors and inconsistencies, digital detectives trying to uncover the truth behind the story. Before it was over, Titor would brand his way to an blitheness studio in Japan, a wrestling band in Pennsylvania, and a prison house prison cell in Oregon.
This is his story, as told by the people who savage deep into information technology.
In 1998, Art Bell, host of the late-nighttime, paranormal-themed radio bear witness Declension to Coast AM, which attracted eccentrics from all over the country pushing tales of alien abduction, freaky physics, and more than. During one of his "Open Fourth dimension Lines" segments, in which anyone could dial in with their own stories, Bell read a alphabetic character from a man claiming to be from the future -- which naturally came in past fax.
John Titor, in a fax to Art Bell, read on Coast to Coast on July 29, 1998 (condensed):
The unknown fourth dimension traveler described a Y2K disaster that would exit people frozen to decease, a authorities instituting martial law, a ability facility in Denver destroyed by a mob, and a communal government system sprouting out of the anarchy. Naturally, he sent an immediate follow-up fax, which Bell too read on air.
John Titor, in a fax to Fine art Bell, read on Coast to Coast in July 1998 (condensed):
John Razimus, researcher and "hoax hunter": I was a huge Art Bell fan in the '90s. He would take the fourth dimension-traveler [Open Lines] night, [where anyone could telephone in with stories], and I actually heard the very first incarnation of John Titor live when Fine art read the faxes in 1998. I didn't have internet access for the side by side few years, so I missed the balance of it.
Two years afterward, a user dubbed "Time_Traveler_0" left a message like to the Coast to Coast faxes in the Time Travel Constitute forums, then known as a safe infinite for people interested in chronal navigation, and a logical destination for an actual time traveler to make contact.
"Time_Traveler_0," in a message on the Time Travel Institute forums on November two, 2000:
In January 2001, Time_Traveler_0 -- now going by the name "John Titor" -- made his first post on the Art Bell forums, the online analogue to Coast to Declension. It was an exact duplicate of the November two post from the Time Travel Institute forums. He somewhen migrated permanently to the Art Bong forums, where he would post regularly until March of 2001.
John Titor, in an Art Bell forum mail from Jan 28, 2001:
The time traveler became a permanent fixture of the radio show, though while multiple defenders and associated figures would telephone call in to chat with Bong, Titor himself would never appear. There was a reason for that.
Joseph Matheny, multimedia artist: I'g going to be picky with what I say to you over what I've said in the past. [John Titor] is a story that was created every bit a literary experiment by people who were observing what I was doing with Ong'southward Lid [a pioneering early alternate reality game] and these people wanted to exercise something like that. I was a consultant on the projection, [merely] it wasn't my projection.
Richard O'Connor, Coast to Coast listener: There was always the sense that Art was fully aware of the con. This made the gullibility of the callers even improve. John Titor, probably to bottom than most of the other "time travelers," didn't seem to have a potent plenty grasp of history (or the present, for that thing) to concoct peculiarly compelling stories -- but Art had this fine skill of constructing drama from the little they said and pulling out only plenty bits to get in fun.
John Titor, in an Art Bell forum post from Feb 2, 2001:
Joseph Matheny: This was pure fine art, in the sense that we could build a story, build a character that didn't accept books, movies, and media attached. The people involved were very into sociology, and nosotros were talking most the net existence the modern vehicle of sociology.
Here'southward a caveat: We don't know if Matheny is telling the truth well-nigh the origins of John Titor. His timeline matches upwardly, just until his collaborators come forward, there's no way of knowing.
Joseph Matheny: I thought everybody would get this was a wink flash, nudge nudge, but when they didn't I went to the other people involved and said, "Let's come out and tell the truth." Nobody would.
John Razimus: If yous have a compelling story and you remain anonymous, the internet will magnify it.
Joseph Matheny: We knew at some bespeak this was going to get out from underneath us and we were going to have to allow information technology become.
Equally with many alleged time travelers from the time to come, John Titor came with a load of predictions nigh the world to come. Ceremonious war, technological ending and an outbreak of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, a fatal degenerative brain disorder similar to mad cow, were all prophesied in his posts.
John Titor, from a February 2005 interview in Hustler:
John Razimus: It all started with Y2K. The whole purpose was to preclude the huge Y2K disaster. John Titor apologists will say thanks to John Titor in that location wasn't a disaster.
Oliver Williams, John Titor archivist on The Moore Show on April 5, 2012: The speculation is that John did something in 1975 which stopped Y2K for the states.
John Titor, in an Art Bell forum post from February 5, 2001 (condensed):
Joseph Matheny: [We thought], "Permit'due south option some things that might actually happen." Militias were in the news a lot: Oklahoma City, Waco, Ruby Ridge, all that stuff was going on, there were congressional hearings, et cetera, then that whole ceremonious state of war matter was a big subject.
John Titor, in an Art Bell forum post from February 1, 2001:
Titor's predictions were met with a healthy mix of skepticism and excitement on the Art Bong forums, with dozens of other readers request hundreds of follow-upwardly questions.
Charlotte Boren, in an Fine art Bell forum post from Feb 6, 2001: Please list the cost of aureate for the final 20 of your years and I can tell you the status of the stock market in the future. Will information technology still be fairly lawful for me to own and use handguns when are outset your fourth dimension travel adventures? Is it possible for you lot to crash-land into yourself when yous are time travelling? Saw a Jean Claude Van Dam [sic] motion picture most that once. I think it was chosen Time Cop. Whatever you do, don't milkshake hands with yourself, if yous do come across. You lot melt.
Mike Kolesik, in an Fine art Bell forum post from Jan 29, 2001: Ho hum... Some other fourth dimension traveler. Well, time to run him thru the BS o'meter.
John Titor, in an Art Bong forum post from Jan 30, 2001:

Traveling through time is tricky concern. Titor claimed that the technology, based on the far-out, cosmological work of mathematical physicist Frank Tipler, would be figured out after a breakthrough at the CERN particle accelerator, and by his era it was commonplace. Titor'due south machine was manufactured past General Electric and installed in a 1967 Chevy Corvette.
John Titor, in an Fine art Bong forum post from January thirty, 2001:
Physicist Frank Tipler, in an interview with Omni magazine from October 1994: I don't think [I'm a crackpot]. But no beatnik thinks he is, right? An astronomer once published a list of the rules for determining a crackpot. Well, if you lot read Darwin's Origin of the Species, you'll detect he was a crackpot by some of the criteria. I'one thousand very conservative scientifically. I'thousand just changing the boundary conditions in cosmology from the starting time of time to the stop of time. I accept all known physical laws, and just alter the betoken of view.
Emmanuel Kant claimed the 3 key problems of metaphysics are: Does God be?; Do we have free will?; and Is there life after death? I plough those questions of metaphysics into problems of physics, and solve them, answering yes, yeah, yes. The history of science is typically nigh turning insoluble problems of metaphysics into issues of physics and solving them. Like ane of Kant's problems: Has the universe existed forever, or just a finite time? Kant thought this was fundamentally insoluble as well, and had a purported proof of this. Simply in this century, we've turned this supposedly insoluble metaphysical trouble into 1 of physics and solved information technology, to detect the universe is 10 to twenty billion years one-time. I'm just taking the side by side step. My reductionist belief is that a problem that can exist solved tin can be solved by physics. And only past physics.
John Titor, in an Anomalies.net forum post from January 29, 2001:
The circuitous diagrams for Titor's time machine have baffled investigators -- they're obviously made past somebody with a knowledge of electronics, only they have no understandable part. That didn't stop a man named Marlin Pohlman from trying to patent it in 2004.
Marlin Pohlman, programmer, writing on the Godlike Productions forum in November 6, 2006: I have a degree in Physics and Engineering and dorsum engineered this based on John Titor'southward post... I piece of work for a big software company have no profit motive. I only want one and don't have the means to build it.

Marlin Pohlman is currently spending six years in prison for drugging and raping four women. Co-ordinate to constabulary, he mixed a cocktail of LSD, ecstasy, and nitrous oxide into leap-loaded syringes and injected his victims in their necks before having his way with them.
Marlin Pohlman, during his 2013 trial (via The Oregonian): [I patented the time machine because] I had to do something while I was going through chemo [for Hodgkin's lymphoma about 2002]. I had nothing meliorate to do. ... I recollect I fabricated a mathematical error.
Pohlman pled guilty in 2013 and was sentenced to 75 months in prison house.
Titor's purpose in traveling dorsum to the past was apparently to retrieve an IBM 5100, one of the first portable computers. The 5100 hitting the market place in 1975 weighing in at 55 pounds and sporting an internal 5-inch CRT monitor.
Oliver Williams, John Titor archivist on The Moore Prove on April 5, 2012: He claimed to exist part of a military group whose job it was to go back to the year 1975 and get a pocket-size personal computer -- it was actually one of the kickoff portable computers made, and it was in Rochester, Minnesota.
Charles Moltrup, in an Art Bell forum post from January 31, 2001: Why would you want a IBM 5100 I can find them at auctions for next to nothing, i think they were the beginning 286 CPU's. Why didn't you finish in this year outset and by [sic] i.Well I have a skillful question for you in 2036 do you still use toliet [sic] paper to wipe your ass.
John Titor, in an Art Bell forum mail service from Feb i, 2001 (condensed):
Oliver Williams, John Titor archivist on The Moore Show on Apr v, 2012: I guess there was some special trick or technical issue within this computer that allowed it to talk BASIC, APL and some system language.
Joseph Matheny: The 5100 in the story... I started my career every bit an IT person, and 2 of the people involved were older IT people. I didn't come up with information technology, only when I saw it proposed I thought "that is and then funny, we have to practise that."
Oliver Williams, John Titor archivist on The Moore Show on Apr 5, 2012: Some IBM engineers came forward and said "I don't know if that guy was a time traveler or not, but everything he said about that car is truthful," and maybe simply 20 people knew most [the computer's true functions].
John Titor, in an Art Bell forum postal service from Feb 2, 2001:
Of all the people who communicated with John Titor, no one came closer than Pamela Moore. She engaged in multiple chat conversations with the fourth dimension traveler throughout the early 2000s.
Pamela Moore, John Titor contact, to Titor scholar Mike Sauve in January 2017: Everyone thinks I started out request John too many detailed questions when he came in 2000. But the truth was I had a detailed dream of a time traveler in 1998.
Before Titor disappeared in March 2001, he shared with her a "secret song" that she could use to identify any impostors. The identification of this song has been an obsession with researchers.
Pamela Moore, in an email to John Razimus in April 2009: I honestly think simply John himself knew information technology. Possibly whoever he was he never told anyone else. He told me in a conversation not an email. If John ever decides to come up forth I volition have the info to confirm it was the same John who posted as John Titor.
John Razimus: Pamela Moore is an individual that immediately believed in it, started private messaging John Titor on the Art Bell forums, and all we know proof-wise is that [John Titor's lawyers] mailed her a copy of the John Titor book, and they signed it.
Pamela Moore, in an email to John Razimus in Apr 2009: I really don't know who sent me the book. At the end was a song written, simply it was not the secret song. It was non signed by anyone.
John Razimus: I think they were giving her that book every bit a give thanks you for perpetuating the story. I retrieve it's an unfortunate situation where they played with someone's mind and they took it too far.
Pamela Moore to John Titor scholar Mike Sauve in January 2017: The latest package I received had several things in it. A alphabetic character from Kay [John Titor'southward female parent]. A letter from John. An album with a record inside and a CD with some songs on information technology but I'm keeping what was on it secret because I am not really sure why he sent those to me. I more probable will discover out subsequently. I received it in September of 2016.
Pamela'due south existence every bit the principal contact put her at the center of many Titor conspiracy theories. The quest for the "hush-hush vocal" became as important as John'southward identity.
"Samstwitch," in a Paranormalis.com forum post from November 27, 2011: Pam is sweet and kind. Commonly I practise non speak of her out of respect. No one gives her any privacy. People continue forcing her into threads, which is hard to keep silent over. She's a very brave girl who has endured way too much. I don't know her in person, but I feel compelled to practise my office in protecting her on any level, because of my participation in discussing John Titor. Some people will never get it.
Joseph Matheny: Pam, I think, is a true believer. I actually do. I know she was talking to somebody. In that location were people who were having conversations as John Titor and we don't know who they were. They were coming out of the woodwork, they were not affiliated with united states of america at all.
Pamela Moore to John Titor scholar Mike Sauve in January 2017: He and so went on to explain how I was communicating with more than one John. That other Johns may arrive and they need the posts to stay up equally long as possible.

Matheny believes his group stopped the Titor experiment before the Fine art Bong posts.
Joseph Matheny: None of united states were paying attention or curating this later a point. Quondam in 2000 is when we stopped doing it.
It's impossible to know who was backside the later messages from the time traveler. Titor's only communications with the outside earth were through text and net postings. Merely before long later on the first batch of posts hit the Art Bell forum, a new name popped upwards.
Larry Haber, attorney for the John Titor Foundation in an interview with Fade to Black Radio on January iii, 2014: When I get asked the question "is information technology real," my answer is e'er the aforementioned: I don't know. I don't question whether or not -- I do the piece of work that I'm hired to do.
Titor himself never spoke to the public. All communications afterwards the faxes and message lath posts were handled by Haber.
Larry Haber in an interview with Fade to Black Radio on Jan iv, 2014: I specialized in amusement law, and a friend from law school referred me over to Kay, and that'southward how information technology started.
Pamela Moore to Titor scholar Mike Sauve in January 2017: I idea he was just contracted for legal things in the amusement area. I don't actually know if he is representing anyone real or not.
John Razimus: I think they were fans of Art Bell, they created one of the offset internet hoaxes, and it blew out of proportion. Mayhap they have some book rights, film rights they've been sitting on?
Joseph Matheny: Larry Haber -- I don't know who he is. None of us practice. He'southward non nor has he ever been involved with the grouping I was in. He's an entertainment chaser. He's somebody who jumped on the bandwagon.
Larry Haber in an interview withFade to Black Radio on January 4, 2014: I know that Kay is working on a film. I haven't been involved.
Joseph Matheny: I saw some people that were clearly using the story as an effort to brand money, which I am not absurd with.
John Razimus: It was a trailer to be sold to Hollywood. They wanted to cash in. But at that place'southward a Japanese anime that has John Titor as a character, they haven't washed anything confronting that -- every mean solar day, if they exercise take those rights they're losing them by non contesting other people using them.
Joseph Matheny: There have been a couple of indie films. At that place's a Japanese anime that I liked. I was at my girlfriend'southward firm in Hollywood, we were just really into watching sci-fi together, finding things and watching them together, she found a DVD set of Steins;Gate. When they started talking nearly John Titor I cruel out of my chair laughing.
Robert Newsome, publisher of the professional wrestling fanzine, The Atomic Elbow: In 2013, professional wrestling federation CHIKARA started making overt references to their corporate ownership, the Titor Conglomerate. At the same time, in that location was an ongoing story about a wrestler named Archibald Peck who got punched so hard information technology sent him dorsum in time. It eventually led to CHIKARA shutting downwardly for a year and essentially re-setting. It's actually hard to explain, but it was a lot of fun.
The only commercial product directly linked to the story is a book. The Titor Foundation published John Titor -- A Fourth dimension Traveler's Tale, a compilation the posts, into a print-on-demand volume in 2003. A new copy at present sells for over $600 on Amazon.
With Matheny's original group out of the moving picture, everyone could merits to be John Titor. And they did.
Richard O'Connor, Declension to Coast listener: You tin tell a time traveler because they'll accept an odd accent, different syntax and completely new slang. [John Titor wrote] like a '90s college kid. Anyway, that'southward my recollection.
John Titor, in an Fine art Bell forum post from February 2, 2001:
Joseph Matheny: I got actually harshly attacked past some of the true-believer people. People were going to my LinkedIn page and calling the people that I worked for. It was pretty heinous harassment, and then I just backed off the whole affair.
Today, the most conceivable case pins the modern adventures of Titor on Larry Haber and his brothers Morey, Arthur, and John Richard, who conspired to create a fictional time traveler and and then merely couldn't let the story die.
John Razimus, in a 2016 video: I found a PO Box registered to John R. Haber, but I think Richard is but a autumn guy, recruited to keep the heat off of Morey. Arthur Haber emailed me one day later I posted the video comparing Morey's handwriting to John Titor's.
Larry Haber, in an interview with Where Is John Titor? on May twenty, 2010: My son is non John Titor. My brother is non John Titor. There's no John Haber in my family.
Pamela Moore, in a 2009 interview with John Razimus: Larry said he doesn't have a brother named John.
Larry Haber in an interview with Fade to Black Radio on January 4, 2014: The big reveal was my youngest brother Morey, who got tagged considering he works for a big calculator security company. That of course makes the conspiracy even bigger, because he'south working on some loftier level stuff.
John Razimus: I stopped researching when I got these emails from Arthur Haber in 2011. That's the terminate of it. When I got those emails it proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that Morey -- or multiple Habers -- fabricated it for fun.
None of the Haber brothers responded to Thrillist'southward request for comment.
Joseph Matheny: I guess what I didn't count on is that at that place's people who have a religious like fervor around this subject, and when you question the veracity of this organized religion, y'all've fabricated yourself fair game.
John Titor was never photographed or met in person. His physical attributes remain unknown. We don't know what his vocalization sounds like. And Titor himself claimed that he hailed from a divergent timeline to our own. That meant that other Titors could be floating around our universe.
John Titor, from a February 2005 interview in Hustler:
Pamela Moore, in an To a higher place Top Secret forum post from August 4, 2009: You would not believe how many people write to me and tell me they are John. Everyone seems to want to be John or they will postal service on a forum and say they were John.
John Titor, in an Art Bell forum mail service from January 30, 2001:
Time travel logic opened the floodgates for Titor impersonators, who appeared on conspiracy radio shows doing interviews. One of those impersonators took the name "John Titor II" to differentiate himself from the original Titor.
John Titor Two, in an interview with Daniel Hunt on November 14, 2016: Lots of people call themselves John Titor. I'one thousand the only i that e'er gets photographed, goes on idiot box, or has written a book.
Pamela Moore, to Titor scholar Mike Sauve in January 2017: I have to say he does seem a trivial dissimilar than the John I spoke to. But I honestly don't know what that means.
The identity of this second public Titor is believed to exist Dana Lee Stern Sr, a man with a notable criminal record, a pile of aliases, and who claims his own son injected Windex into his blood brother's encephalon as a child to give him cancer.
Michael Vara, on from a May 10, 2017 circulate of his radio show Late Night in the Midlands: I've seen the payment slips from Amazon with your real name. I did the background cheque. I'm telling you lot now -- you're non John Titor.
Jason Quitt, writer and dimensional-energy healer, in a post on his website TheCrystalSun.com:Bob Mitchell and myself signed a contract representing himself equally Lieutenant Colonel John Titor Ii, for a volume about his "true life story." The contract stated: "John Titor agrees to provide his life story to the 'Authors' in as honest and open style as possible in guild to tell his true story." In December 2016, John Titor'due south true identity (Dana Lee Stern Sr.) was exposed via YouTube. When his true identity was confirmed equally Dana Lee Stern Sr., he was blacklisted from popular media and volume sales dropped to naught. Due to Dana's misrepresentation and fraud, the book contract and volume sales were dissolved. Contracts must exist signed by your LEGAL GIVEN Name.
John Titor Two, in a postal service on his weblog: John Titor II is more than a pseudonym, I lived that life. Jason Quitt becoming aware of the legal name I used decided he now had legal grounds no to pay me at all... My attorneys are collecting documentation and preparing a lawsuit.
Jason Quitt, in a post on his website TheCrystalSun.com: Dana turned to harassment and threats confronting us, unless nosotros paid him a total extortion amount of $30,000 USD. There was no basis for any monies to be paid past us since there were negligible profits from the book he referenced. This has been ongoing since December, 2016. We have retained counsel and are currently in contact with the FBI concerning his numerous violations of United states of america Federal constabulary.
Titor's last public bulletin was posted on the Art Bell forums on March 24, 2001.
John Titor, in an Art Bell forum postal service from March 24, 2001 (condensed):
Joseph Matheny: Nosotros achieved what we said nosotros wanted to achieve. We wanted to take that fable and write it on the new sphere like graffiti.
Since and so, Titor's fable has spread and mutated all over the internet. A recent 4Chan thread fifty-fifty speculated that John Titor's real identity was... Donald Trump.
Larry Haber, in an interview with Fade to Black Radio on January 4, 2014: I've been told all along that he was going to be back again one-time in the next few years, so I would expect something to be happening. I'g expecting him to come back in some form or fashion.
Joseph Matheny: If anybody has decided to believe the John Titor legend, pay attention to anybody who is trying to sell you annihilation. Books, DVDs, or a belief system attached to this as leverage. Give it a existent hard thought before yous exercise whatever of that. Because John Titor would not approve.
Leah Jakaitis, Coast to Declension listener: The magic of the John Titor story, and actually the magic of mid-'90s Art Bell's Coast to Coast AM, was the ambiguity of the guests and stories: they were funneled through the radio. Titor'due south story was engaging considering it was just close plenty to exist plausible: he was looking for a computer that had really existed, his predictions were pertinent to cultural concerns in mid-'90s America, his had this fabled story and grainy photographs to back up his story. and and then -- lo and behold -- he disappeared! Which is about every bit satisfying an cease to a guest every bit you could have.
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